The concept of a "fountain of youth" — an elixir with mystical powers — has a long historical provenance. It probably explains the "gold" that the Medieval alchemists were seeking to create. Sir Laurence Gardner, in Lost Secrets of the Sacred Ark: Amazing Revelations of the Power of Gold, calls it "white powder gold" and describes how this miraculous substance was manufactured in the Sinai by the ancient Egyptians for use as a youthing tonic (and much more!). In the Spirit of Ma'at's December 2002 issue on the "Water of Life," Barry Carter describes the alleged rediscovery of this substance. It's called ORMUS water, and there are three ways of making it yourself (see ORMUS: Is it the Philosopher's Stone?). But Ariel F. Hubbard, whose life work is with the Devic Kingdom, claims that unless we cooperate with them in making ORMUS, the result is a kind of atomic pollution. Her information about working with Nature Spirits to avoid this pollution is fascinating. She gives compelling reasons for us to enlist their help. Because this whole topic of alchemy and working with elementals is so interesting, we wanted to share with you this interview about working with Nature Spirits to co-create ORMUS. Whether or not you want to recreate the "fountain of youth," you will surely appreciate Hubbard's insights and her clear instructions for opening ourselves to communication with the Devic Kingdom (see Nature Spirits Meditation).

I think it's divine will for human beings and the elemental beings to get back into a harmonious relationship with each other. Making ORMUS is a way for human beings and elementals to work together as a team. — Ariel F. Hubbard

Adams: When I heard you speak last month [September 2002], you mentioned both Asuras and Devas. What is the difference?

Hubbard: Asuras are Nature Spirits. They're fairies, gnomes, goblins, and all the elementals of air, earth, fire, water, metal, wood, and ether.

Devas are a different type of being. They're energetic beings, and they're the architects of form. If you took the Devas and Nature Spirits together in one group, you would call them Nature Intelligences.

Adams: Where does the word Asuras come from?

Hubbard: Asura is a Sanskrit word that has several meanings — and not all of them are positive. I choose to use the positive connotations: "delight in the physical life" and "having a semi-divine and benevolent nature."

One classification of Asura is Dasya, which means "surrender to the will of God." Nature Intelligences do the will of God. They assist God to bring things into physical manifestation.

Deva also is a Sanskrit word. It means "celestial being, Light giver, abode, or sphere."

In terms of function, the Devas create the blueprint, and the Asuras make the blueprint come into being.

Adams: Before asking you about co-creating ORMUS with the help of the Asuras, I'd like to start by asking you how you first began communicating with Nature Spirits?

Hubbard: I've been communicating with all kinds of Earth spirits my whole life, even as a small child of two or younger. I see them, hear them, smell and feel them.

These beings are not three-dimensional. That's why we can't see them with the naked eye. Although I live in the third dimension (well, some of me does, anyway), I'm experiencing them on another dimensional level. I'm taking in their information, feedback, and comments from a fourth- or fifth-dimensional level and bringing that into 3D reality.

Adams: How do the Nature Spirits appear to you?

Hubbard: It depends on how they choose to manifest themselves. The Devas usually appear as a humanoid outline filled in with light. Sometimes Nature Spirits look like the fairies you see in fairy tales, except that they are glowing.

Fairies don't necessarily have wings, but they often appear that way for human benefit. They just look like Beings of Light.

I think the appearance varies depending on the person who's viewing them.

Sometimes all the Devas seem to come together in a big ball of light and travel as a group. When they do that, they don't have edges. But then sometimes they'll start laughing and won't be able to concentrate. When that happens, they break apart into their individual forms.

The Nature Intelligences like to laugh.

Adams: What does their voice sound like?

Hubbard: It depends who's speaking. Usually their voices are melodious and seem very magical. They're flowing, open, and free. If I were going to channel, my voice would change, but right now I'm just repeating back what they're saying. I'm not channeling them right now.

They don't speak English. They speak a language of Light and Sound, a universal language that's spoken everywhere. Then it gets translated into English.

Adams: Who does the translation?

Hubbard: That's a good question. I think my Higher Self does. I hear it, and then I translate it into English. All beings understand this language on some level. It's God's language.

Adams: Do you communicate with other elementals, like gnomes and goblins?

Hubbard: I don't see the goblins. I work with the Light, so goblins don't hang out with me. Goblins like to scare people. They like to work with the energies of lower vibrations.

Gnomes are Earth beings, and they tend to be very private. I have seen gnomes only once or twice.

I do see fairies, elves, leprechauns, and other types of Nature Intelligences, but I usually interact with fairies and with the elementals of plants, people, and places.

Sometimes I also interact with the Devas, who are the overall architects of form and work on a more global scale. For example, there is a Deva of the Moon, a Deva of Roses, and so on.

Nature Intelligences, especially fairies, sometimes appear in Light form. These are beings of joy.

Adams: And you say that they like to laugh. Why are they so happy?

Hubbard: They enjoy having the opportunity to work with humans in a harmonious fashion. They want to heal the relationship with humans — at least the Asuras I am working with want to do that, although not every elemental feels this way.

One of their gifts is to teach humans how to have a sense of humor.

Adams: Let's begin to talk about co-creating the water. What do the Asuras say is wrong with our water as it is?

Hubbard: There are too many chemicals in it. Human beings have polluted the water, either directly or indirectly, and the methods they are using to purify it are not in harmony with Nature.

Human beings don't treat Nature as though she were a living being. Their attitude creates an energy of separation, and this encourages behavior that is dishonoring to Nature. Some of that behavior creates pollution and toxicity. People are not conscious that Nature and everything in Nature is alive and has a consciousness.

Co-Creating ORMUS with the Asuras

Adams: How do you understand this new transmutation process where water becomes white gold?

Hubbard: Although the current methods seem to have evolved through trial and error, I believe that they actually come from tuning into collective consciousness. I think ORMUS has existed before, and we are just working on remembering how to make it again.

Adams: So what is the Asuras' role in the transmutation process where water becomes white gold? Why should we work with them when we do this?

Hubbard: Their job is to maintain the water's structural integrity after the atomic structure is changed.

Many Asuras gather around the ORMUS water, and they are happy because humans are co-creating with them. When human beings affect atoms by changing water into ORMUS, we are doing what the Nature Spirits do, acting in an "asuric" capacity. And so, ideally, we are actually co-creating with the Asuras.

But making ORMUS results in byproducts we're not aware of. When you change the structure of atoms, you need to do something with the extra ions or electrons that are left over. In making ORMUS water, these extra particles separate into the discarded water — the water that is not ORMUS. The discarded atomic particles have to be organized into coherent atoms again, and the Asuras need extra energy to do this job.

So if we acknowledge the Asuras and honor the new, larger job they have of reorganizing the pieces of atoms into coherent structures again, we give them energy. Through focusing on them, we give them more life force with which they can work to accomplish this larger task. And if we don't honor them or talk to them, we're not really co-creating with them, and it's difficult for them to do their part.

They are magical beings. They take energy and they turn it into form. That's what they do, that is their function.

Adams: What benefits do the Asuras want to offer us when we co-create ORMUS?

Hubbard: The Asuras aren't offering us benefits. When we put out the intention to make ORMUS water, we are mobilizing the Divine Will to create a different type of atomic structure. The Asuras are simply aligning with our Divine Will. We set the blueprint, and they follow it. In this way, we are co-creating.

Adams: How do we approach using ORMUS water. For example, do the Asuras feel that ORMUS made by all three methods given by Carter are equally beneficial for every individual? Or should different people choose water made by different methods?

Hubbard: We each have an Asura, or body elemental — a being that manages how we function, how our body lives, grows, and heals. Every person has a body elemental, and it knows which type of method is best for that person. So choosing the best ORMUS water would have to come from the Asura for the individual person.

Adams: What about the time of day for ingesting ORMUS, or how much we should drink and how often? How does this vary from one individual to the next?

Hubbard: Again, we need to contact our body and our body elemental to answer these questions. As an alternative method, we can use muscle testing (for instructions, see Receiving Simple Answers, Spirit of Ma'at June 2003).

Adams: Carter describes a Wet Process for making ORMUS, but says that the water made that way loses its structure very quickly. Is there a way to preserve the potency?

Hubbard: Water made by the Wet Process will last for only around five weeks. Then some of the atomic structure that it had beforehand will reassert itself. But if you wrap the container in metal coils, with the metal sheet around it on the outside, it will last a lot longer. The metal you use is what Barry calls "Mu metal" — steel that contains nickel.

The Asuras also let me know that you may wrap copper wire around the container, then wrap a plate of copper around the outside of that. The water won't last as long as with the combination of steel and nickel, but its potency will be increased and it will last longer than if you don't do anything — possibly two to three months.

Finally, if you don't want to use metal, you may ask the Asuras of the ORMUS water to retain the potency. Then you would check in with them before using it to find out whether the water was still potent or not.

Adams: How does someone contact the Asuras?

Hubbard: You do it just by talking to them. It's about empowerment — about becoming more aware and more conscious. It's not about looking somewhere outside ourselves to get answers. When we talk to the Asuras, we are looking inside. It is only our minds that think it's difficult to do this. It's because we've been taught for so many years to ignore messages from our hearts and from Nature.

Here is a meditation you may use that will help you to contact the Asuras and the Devas and receive their answers from within. It begins by stating your intent for the meditation and specifying that only the Highest Good will come from it. Please, when doing inner work, don't ever ignore this step. This is very important.

Nature Spirits Meditation

1. Sit comfortably, and take eight slow, deep breaths. When you feel relaxed, state, "This session is created for the Highest Good of All Concerned." This sets an intention that only the Highest Good can happen as a result of the session.
2. Call in the Presence of God (whatever God is to you) to be with you. Feel the energy shift around you and in your body as Spirit connects with you.
3. Call in your Higher Self (this is the part of you that is always connected with Spirit — not the same as the personality self that conducts our day-to-day activities).
4. Now call in the particular Deva or Asura you would like to connect with. For example, if you are working with ORMUS, address the Deva and Asuras of the ORMUS you are working with or of your physical body. Let yourself relax and feel the Presence of these beings. You may feel an energetic shift, or feel as though someone is there with you. You are not imagining this.
5. Go into your heart, and feel, see, or imagine a beautiful pink light of love glowing there. Feel how wonderful this love is. Then send this love, this light, to God, your Higher Self, and the Deva and the Asuras you are communicating with.
6. Pause and breathe deeply. Then allow yourself to feel any energy that may be returned to you. You may see pictures, or hear words, or have feelings about what is being communicated. This is a process that may take time and patience, so do not assume that you have to hear anything, especially the first few times you do this.
7. Now you can ask your specific question, for example: "Is it appropriate and for my highest good to ingest this ORMUS?" If you get a sense of a "yes," then ask, "How much should I take, and when. For what purposes?" Allow the responses to flow to you. They may come in unexpected ways. For example, you may receive them as symbols that you may or may not understand at that moment. And if you don't understand them, just be patient. After your meditation is concluded, in your daily life, you will receive communications or signs that allude to the symbols you received during your inquiry. Then you will know what they mean.
8. When you feel your questions have been answered, conclude the session. Also end your session if you start to feel slightly tired or if you feel that there is a shift in the "energy" of the session. This is important. There is a "closing" kind of energy when it is time to complete a session of inner work, and if you force yourself to go longer, you won't receive clear communications.
9. At this time, it is very important to express your gratitude to God, your Higher Self, the Devas, the Asuras involved, and yourself for being willing to engage in the inquiry. Send gratitude and love from your heart. Then, say, "At this time, I thank, honor, and release you. This session is complete." That will officially close the session.

After the session, be sure to drink a lot of water and eat healthy food.

Also, if you feel tired, you may be experiencing a protein drain. Sessions of this nature tend to do that until we get used to the higher-vibrational frequencies passing through our bodies. If this happens, eat some kind of healthy protein food.

Write down the information you receive as soon as you can, and watch to see how the advice and suggestions are confirmed in your daily life.

As you feel guided, engage in further inquiries.

This meditation is an excellent way to develop a closer relationship with God and Nature — two very important things for the human race to be doing in these times.

Relating with Nature Spirits

Adams: How do the water spirits feel about this alchemical process that we are working with in creating ORMUS?

Hubbard: They think we human beings need to be very aware and conscious of what we're doing. That's why they suggest prayer. In the past, humans have not been spiritually mature enough to do alchemy. Doing alchemy means acting in an asuric capacity, and so we have to be more responsible.

Adams: Why are the Asuras thrilled to be part of a co-creative process?

Hubbard: We have not included them in our daily actions and it's painful for them. Working with them restores harmony between the elemental and the human kingdom. So when we work with them consciously in one area, it is their hope that we will become conscious in other areas.

I think it's divine will for human beings and the elemental beings to get back into a harmonious relationship with each other. Making ORMUS is a way for human beings and elementals to work together as a team.

In co-creating with the elementals in one area, we learn to do so in other areas. We start asking permission before we build a building, walk in a place of Nature, or plant our crops. We learn how to work with elementals to make trees grow.

It's not just about making ORMUS. It's about treating the Earth with respect.

Ariel F. Hubbard, HHP, BA, LMT, earned her BA degree from the University of New Mexico in 1991. She developed her skills in energywork through her volunteer work from 1992-1994 in the Healing Circle in Laguna Hills, California. Ariel has also been an instructor in Reiki, Yoga T'ai Chi and HighSelf Resonance Therapy since 1995. She has authored Come From the Heart: A Step-By-Step Guide To Healing With Divine Energy, in two volumes, and is working on Deva Dialogues: Communicating and Co-Creating with Nature Intelligences. Ariel founded the California Academy for the Healing Arts, dedicating to teaching the practical teaching of holistic healing arts in a spiritual setting. See Somawork.com or CAHASchool.com for more information.

ORMUS Resources: from Barry Carter's "Subtle Energies" website: Scientific Overview; General Overview; ORMUS: What Is It?; Pictures of Ormus made from Dead Sea salt; ORMUS Homeopathic Resonances; Health and DNA Repair; and Cone-Shaped Shewbread.