Vol 3 No 8       

antigravity device of
aluminum and balsa
of UFOs

with Theodore
C. Loder, PhD

by Wynn Free
Professor Ted Loder, a well known researcher in the earth sciences, has had a life-long interest in UFO phenomena and related energy issues. His serious study of these issues began in the mid-1990s, when he learned from a trusted government informant that UFOs were real.

Loder works closely with Dr. Steven Greer, founder of the Disclosure Project (see The Disclosure Project Today), and is dedicated to bringing the truth about UFOs to the general public.

The following interview was conducted at the February 2003 13th Annual UFO Congress.

Wynn: Ted, why were you invited to speak at a UFO convention?

Ted: It goes back to a year and a half go, when I was invited to present a paper at a meeting of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA). This is a group of rocket scientists who are working on the concept of getting space colonization started -- for example, a colony on the Moon, a colony on Mars, maybe a space station.

Wynn: Are you a rocket scientist?

Ted: No, my background is oceanography. But I've worked with the Disclosure Project and Dr. Greer for about six years now. I was involved in the Disclosure Projects press briefings and the National Press Club in May 2001, and I co-wrote with Dr. Greer the 500-page document that was handed out to the press, senators, and congressmen.

When I was invited to speak to the engineers at the AIAA, I thought at first that I was supposed to give a talk. But then they insisted that I write a paper, with documents and footnotes. That paper was called "Outside the Box: Space and Terrestrial Transportation and Energy Technologies for the 21st century." It went back to the 1950s, with research done by various people, but then I went fast forward to the Disclosure Project.

I wrote about multiple military and industrial witnesses who had described the retrieval of extraterrestrial craft and the reverse engineering of extraterrestrial technology. It was basically a scientific history review paper, documented with all kinds of references that can be checked.

It proved that by the 1960s, through coupling the ET technology with our own knowledge of science and physics, our government had produced functioning antigravity craft.

Wynn: Our government?

Ted: "Our government" is a dicey way to describe it. This is really a coupling of private industry and the military. So it's technically our government — but in reality, our elected government doesn't know what's going on. Because of defense-related issues, this sort of information is the closest kept secret there is, perhaps even more secret than the UFO issue itself.

Wynn: Is there documentation as to this reverse engineering.

Ted: Yes. Multiple witnesses talk about this in the Disclosure Book. These are guys who are captains of the Air Force and members of the NRO, plus Boeing scientists and other private scientists.

So the paper I wrote was a compilation of what these various witnesses were saying. Then I went to what the scientific literature has been doing over the last fifteen years and investigated the coupling of quantum mechanics and the zero-point energy field. Physicists are starting to look at the relationship between gravity, inertia, energy fields and EMF (radio wave) fields. They're starting to couple these things together and are finding they are all related.

If you take the research going on in the hard-core physics area together with what these scientists are saying and what Thomas Townsend-Brown was saying fifty years ago, the story emerges that not only is antigravity real, but — based on reverse engineering and our own science — we've figured it out and have created working antigravity craft.

In its conclusions, my paper dealt with the implications of this knowledge — because it's starting to leak out.

In summary, there is a change in the way we teach physics, in the way we do science, in how we go to space, and in the implications of antigravity research coupled with zero-point energy technologies. Extracting energy from the vacuum means we have a whole new way of doing things.

The depressing thing is that for forty years we could have been transporting people without using fossil fuels to push 100-year-old technology around the sky. For forty years, we have had antigravity technologies that would supersede Boeing's air buses and all of the other aircraft that are polluting our environment, using up fossil fuels, creating global warming, and contaminating and polluting the upper atmosphere and stratosphere.

So there are a lot of things going on. The interesting thing about this paper is that it kind of took on a life of its own. I was able to give copies of the paper to various high-level aerospace people who were on the committee, including Buzz Aldrin, the astronaut.

The paper was on the Disclosure Project website. We put it on the Seas Power website, which is about zero-point energy. Dr. Thomas Valone put it on his Integrity Research Institute website. And of course Drunvalo Melchizedek put it on Spirit of Ma'at [see the March 2002 issue on free energy at AntiGravity: Space and Energy Technologies for the 21st Century].

Yesterday, I was in Albuquerque at a staff meeting of the Space Colonization technical committee at the Space Technologies International Forum. This committee meets once a year, and I presented a follow-up to my paper. During one of the break sessions, I was talking to a chap who was with the Department of Defense, and I asked him if he had heard my talk. He said that he had. I asked if he had seen my earlier paper, which I passed out at the AIAA meeting last year in Reno, and he said no. So I pulled out a copy from my briefcase and showed it to him. He said, "Oh, you're the one who wrote this paper. I've read this twice, and you're right on target." He's a very high-level person, and it's interesting to hear that people who are in the know are getting this paper and agreeing with it. These people can't speak out publicly about the reality of what I'm saying.

Wynn: So do we actually have antigravity aircraft right at this moment? And if so, is it being used functionally, or is it just experimental?

Ted: There's a lot of evidence that the B-2 bomber is antigravity assisted. Of course the Department of Defense and the Air force will say nothing about this, but the leading edge of the B-2 is positively charged, and the aft is negatively charged. Townsend-Brown showed in the 1920s that if you take an asymmetric capacitor and charge it to a high voltage, it will move in the direction of the positive charge. He had patents on this called the Bifield/Brown effect. That information came out in the 1950s — and disappeared. I talk about that in my paper. It's only been in the last few years that people started repeating these experiments. You can now buy kits called lifter kits. They are balsa/aluminum foil devices that will rise off the ground.

Wynn: Anybody can buy these?

Ted: Anybody can. For under fifty dollars you can buy kits at Information Unlimited [there is also an instructinal CD available at the American Antigravity website — ed.]. You can make your own antigravity device.

Wynn: Can you explain in simple terms how this antigravity principle works?

Ted: I wish I knew the answer to that question. I don't know the physics details of it. Tom Beardon wrote a 900-page book called Energy from the Vacuum that's about the science of free energy, zero-point energy, and antigravity. He's one of the leading people in the world on that subject.

The interesting thing is that there are a number of people making these lifters. Jean-Louis Naudin, in France, has been researching and reproducing them and reporting the results at his website JNAudin.free.fr. They've just built one that's huge enough to lift a live mouse in a cage. The more cells you have, the more lift.

Wynn: So it's not expensive to do this?

Ted: Not just to demonstrate it.

Mark McCandlish, one of our Disclosure Project witnesses, had a very close colleague, Brad Sorenson, who described visiting an air show at one of the major hangers at Norton Air force Base in the late 1980s. A high-end person from the government got him in there. He said he'd seen three antigravity working crafts hanging above the floor in the hanger, all domed shaped and looking like UFOs.

Wynn: Is there any fuel required to move these craft?

Ted: No, no fuel.

Wynn: But there's fuel required to propel it?

Ted: The B-2 bomber takes off using standard jets, but once it's airborne they can switch to this antigravity propulsion, which is actually helping to push it forward. It can push down, which makes it go up, or it can push sideways, which makes it go forward. So the B-2 bomber, from what I've read — I don't have personal evidence of this — makes use of this technology.

These lifters are basically demonstrating the principle of the asymmetrical capacitor or what's called the Biefeld-Brown effect. You have a high dielectric material between two metal plates — one charged negative and one charged positive — and it moves in the direction of the positive charge.

The interesting thing is that the Army published a major research report on this effect last November. The Army talks about how it "might be" working, and they've built some demonstration models. NASA got a patent in 2001 on asymmetrical capacitance motion, and never mentioned Biefeld-Brown. So they didn't give credit where credit was due.

The depressing thing is that this is being done in the "white" world, with various papers published on the web, based on something Brown demonstrated fifty years ago! There's been a fifty-year hiatus of research on this technology.

Wynn: How did you get from oceanography to antigravity?

Ted: I'm a scientist. I've spent the last thirty years as a professor, doing research, having graduate students, teaching courses in the field of oceanography... that's been my "day job." And I was pretty skeptical about extraterrestrial contact.

But then I started talking to these people on the Disclosure Project, and witness after witness after witness was saying that they were on crash retrieval programs, picking up "UFOs." They were saying that yes, they'd built simulators for these things in the early 1960s so they could simulate what was going on. Yes, they built these multi-million-volt capacitors to give them the lift to try these things. Yes, back in the early 1960s they were testing these things. So I thought, "We've been held ransom for forty years or more, while the environment's been going to hell in a handbasket." And so I decided I needed to piece this together.

So getting back to your first question as to how I got to this meeting at this UFO Congress. I gave this paper to the AIAA meeting, and then Tom Valone invited me to talk about this paper at another meeting, and Bob Brown — who puts on this meeting — was present and invited me to come here. So here I am.

Wynn: Could you explain something about the Disclosure Project's mission?

Ted: The goal of the Disclosure Project and CSETI — the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence — was at first to inform our legal government about the reality of extraterrestrial and UFO information and knowledge.

In the early 1990s, Dr. Greer briefed people at the United Nations, the director of the CIA, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as well as a number of senators and representatives. By the mid-1990s, he had put together a meeting of some American astronauts, Russian cosmonauts, high-level military people, and civilian witnesses to talk about how to bring this information out to the public. He could see, as we all have seen now, that this information has been kept under wraps for fifty-plus years since Roswell and World War Two. The coverup has gone on under several generations of people.

And the technologies associated with that coverup are going to be needed to save the planetary environment. We also need these technologies in terms of the global political structure, because part of the problem right now is that there are major haves and major have-nots, and it all boils down to energy. If you're an energy-poor country, such as India or China or much of Africa, you could never become a First World country.

But the First World countries — the United States, Europe, and Japan — make up only 600 million out of 6 billion people, or 12 percent of the world's population. And the rest will never make it, because they'll never have the energy. The oil and gas energy just isn't available, and it never will be available at the levels we're using it.

The energy technologies and the other technologies associated with the ET issues are very important. Covert military groups are attempting, or succeeding, to actually shoot down extraterrestrial craft that are visiting the planet. Yet these craft that are observing us and watching us are basically on our side. They are helping us to make sure we don't blow ourselves up.

Wynn: Do you think that ETs are positive in general? Or do you think that some are positive and some are negative?

Ted: The general sense of a lot of people is that they are both positive and negative. The sense that Dr. Greer and myself have, from our own experience, is that they are positive. That doesn't mean they're all perfect. There are encounters with people. But the covert military itself is responsible for a vast amount of the abductions that people talk about. If someone has a real encounter with ETs, the military will often follow that up with their own abduction to confuse the person.

If you talk to abductees, you'll find that's often the case. Our interactions have been positive and supportive. Until the planet gets itself together in terms of understanding this, we're in trouble.

We're planning on another war in the Middle East — not we, but our elected government, which is all about oil and about power and greed. But if we didn't depend on fossil fuels, that would change the dynamics greatly. So one of the things we are working on is to change those dynamics.

It's not going to happen overnight. There's going to be a transition period.

Wynn: Could we say that it's greed that's stopped this from happening?

Ted: Total greed. And all the rationale that the people couldn't take it because it would screw up their religions, or the people would be too scared. We've been conditioned for the past decades that UFOs exist, although the government continues to deny it. The Disclosure Project was probably a strong force in this because it had solid military witnesses with government documents to back up what they were saying. It wasn't Joe Blow out a Saturday night with a couple of six packs seeing something in the sky. These are military people with solid military records.

One pilot who had his own encounters when he was flying for the Air Force told me that although he was trusted enough to be certified to carry nuclear weapons, if he saw a UFO and reported it they would say he was crazy. So there's a disconnect in how these things are looked at.

We also find that some of the major religions, such as the Catholics, have been speaking out about the reality of UFOs. Monsignor Balducci, who is in the Disclosure Book as one of our witnesses, talks about that — from a high level in the Vatican! So the excuse that the people of the world would go crazy if they learned we weren't the only people around, or that the religions would take a hit, and so on, is really just noise to cover up the real reason. Which is greed.

In 1997, when Dr. Greer put together a closed briefing for congressional members and the White House staff, we hoped that the members of the Senate and the House would have enough guts to hold hearings on the UFO issue. We offered 500-plus witnesses who had agreed to come forward, people on the inside. But the public UFO hearings have not happened.

So we've been very disappointed in the White House and Congress, who both know that this is real. But after that 1997 briefing, we realized that the only way to get this story out was to bring it to the public. That's when we put together the Disclosure Project and the briefing at the National Press Club in May of 2001.

Wynn: Do you know where these ETs come from?

Ted: There are multiple races from multiple star systems and planets. I have no personal evidence where they are from, so I'll leave it at that.

Wynn: Do their craft travel faster than the speed of light?

Ted: Yes, they do. They travel in a way that bypasses the speed-of-light limitation. By the way, a Brazillian scientist, Miguel Alcubierre, wrote a scientific paper in 1994 showing that there actually is no limitation to the speed of light in the relativity theories of present physics see The Warp Drive: Hyper-Fast Travel Within General Relativity).

There are books by people who have claimed to be on extraterrestrial craft. They talk about the subtle shifting into a slightly different dimension and literally traveling between star systems in a matter of weeks.***

Wynn: This sounds like Star Trek.

Ted: It's kind of the real equivalent of warp drive. And I would guess that there's more than one way to do it. This is why there have been so many reports of people seeing ET craft. In Belgium, in the early 1990s, people were seeing huge craft shrinking down to a ball of light and then taking off, or sometimes disappearing.

It would be possible for there to be an extraterrestrial craft in this room with us and we wouldn't know it. You could see it if you had celestial vision or could see beyond the veil of light, which some people can do, just as some people see ghosts or auras. It's in that realm.

We humans are wired for some of that technology, which why some people can see into that form. The speed-of-light issue, which is used by hard core linear scientists who don't want this issue to come out, basically holds that the closest star is four light years away, and that there's no way people would spend eight years traveling back and forth, so therefore we can't be visited.

But physicists are starting to admit in the open literature that there are ways around this limitation. So maybe this is a good place to end.

Wynn: Thank you for sharing with our readers.

Ted: Thank you.

Dr. Ted LoderTheodore C. Loder, PhD, a faculty member at the University of New Hampshire since 1972, is a professor in the Department of Earth Sciences where he teaches both graduate and undergraduate courses in the field of chemical oceanography. He is a member of the Institute for the Study of Earth, Oceans, and Space, and has conducted research all around the world. These activities he refers to as his "day job."

Starting six years ago, Dr. Loder joined what finally came to be called the Disclosure Project. He has participated closely with Dr. Greer since that time.

Dr. Loder's email address is Ted.Loder@UNH.edu.

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